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@NogDogJan 31.2017 — #IDEs: I really like PHPStorm, but their pricing model is kind of sucky now, so I've recently switched over to Atom, which is free and (very) open-source. Initial reaction is that it performs well, and is very customize-able.
Frameworks: In PHP-land, if you're going to use a MVC framework, IMHO Laravel is the choice. If you decide to pursue it, splurge for a month or two of tutorials at laracasts.com, as Jeffrey does a great job of explaining/showing all sorts of things about it and related tools, from introductory to advanced topics. (Some of the introductory stuff is free, so you can check those out first, perhaps.)
For the rest, I'm really a server-side guy and just do client-side stuff when forced to, which usually means Bootstrap to make it look not-too-ugly and work on most browsers/devices, then copy/paste JS stuff when needed. ? I know that the client-side team where I work is pretty much all-in on Angular, but I know virtually nothing about it except at a very high level.@NogDogJan 31.2017 — #
I'm trying to make the switch to Ruby/Rails now for work. My little bit of Python exposure suggests it might be a [I]bit[/I] easier of a migration from PHP than Ruby, but really it's mostly all the Rails-specific stuff that's the learning curve for me...plus we run it all in Docker, so have to learn that, too. My old brain isn't as flexible as it used to be. ? Our data engineering team uses Python a lot, as they like its DB support along with multi-threading capabilities, but I don't know anyone who has actually used Django, so that's still a black box to me.
Easy and Efficient "Tool Sets" and Frameworks for Development? IDE? Laravel, Meteor?
I’m an “old school” coder. But writing web apps last few years using PHP/MySQL/Javascript/JQUERY/Bootstrap primarily although Bootstrap I’m pretty green on as most the apps I’ve worked on I got the CSS library from a template and such.
I’d like to get a bit more efficient and developing more sophisticating apps. I’ve been coding for over 30 years but I’m out of touch with the current tool set that is widely viewed as the best of breed. I’ve been using a combination of tools like Notepad++, PHPMyAdmin, Coffee Cup Web Form Builder, etc. Pretty crude stuff. I’m 100% LAMP, no MS .NET, no thanks.
My head is swiming looking at all the options. Would greatly appreciate some input on what to zero in on. I’m not sure what fits together with what optimally. The key is I’m used to “hand conding” most stuff, and I really don’t have a lot of free time (or patience) to learns some IDE / MVP system that is overly complicated. Looking for a recipe that gives the “best bang for the buck” so to speak, buck = learning curve – I don’t want to have to spend money (at least not anything signficant) – I’m an Open Source Enthusiast.
Things that have peaked my interest:
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IDEs: NetBeans, Eclipse
PHP Frameworks: Laravel, Zend (not going with Zend, consensus is it’s overly complicated and has “fallen behind”)
Foundation versus Bootstrap? I’ve yet to memorize much of the Bootstrap CSS objects.
Angular.js ReactJS and Meteor – Not sure how these “fit with” the above – each has it’s pluses and minuses but sounds like Meteor has the shortest learning curve followed by React.
What say the seasoned developers out there that have tried most all of this stuff?
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@NogDogJan 31.2017 — #IDEs: I really like PHPStorm, but their pricing model is kind of sucky now, so I've recently switched over to Atom, which is free and (very) open-source. Initial reaction is that it performs well, and is very customize-able.Frameworks: In PHP-land, if you're going to use a MVC framework, IMHO Laravel is the choice. If you decide to pursue it, splurge for a month or two of tutorials at laracasts.com, as Jeffrey does a great job of explaining/showing all sorts of things about it and related tools, from introductory to advanced topics. (Some of the introductory stuff is free, so you can check those out first, perhaps.)
For the rest, I'm really a server-side guy and just do client-side stuff when forced to, which usually means Bootstrap to make it look not-too-ugly and work on most browsers/devices, then copy/paste JS stuff when needed. ? I know that the client-side team where I work is pretty much all-in on Angular, but I know virtually nothing about it except at a very high level.
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@NogDogJan 31.2017 — #Great input.
Yes, Laravel seems like the logical choice considering I'm fluent in PHP. Although I'm becoming increasingly intrigued by Django -- but at this late stage in my career not sure I want to spend the time learning Python.[/QUOTE]
I'm trying to make the switch to Ruby/Rails now for work. My little bit of Python exposure suggests it might be a [I]bit[/I] easier of a migration from PHP than Ruby, but really it's mostly all the Rails-specific stuff that's the learning curve for me...plus we run it all in Docker, so have to learn that, too. My old brain isn't as flexible as it used to be. ? Our data engineering team uses Python a lot, as they like its DB support along with multi-threading capabilities, but I don't know anyone who has actually used Django, so that's still a black box to me.